[分享]：美国市场上的ARCHICAD和CHIEF介绍！

ZOOD

两个软件都是三维建筑设计软件，只不过针对市场有所不同。AC针对的是所有的建筑设计，从大到小，而CHIEF则针对小型建筑设计。
现在GRAPHISOFT的CEO已经由美国人担任了，就象晓东说的，即使最先进的技术如果市场不行的话，也是白搭。看来GRAPHISOFT公司也意识到了这一点，总裁和副总裁都由精通市场销售的美国人担任了，内部也进行很大的人事变动，看来都要按照美国方式来了，GRPHISOFT公司现在变成了一个位于匈牙利的美国公司了。
现在美国的建筑师是这样看待ARCHICAD的：除AUTOCAD外，在世界上其他地方的最优秀的CAD建筑设计软件，看来美国总裁的薪水没白发，在美国市场上其以13%的速度在不断增长其新用户。在美国最多的中小型建筑设计事物所中，ARCHICAD正逐渐成为一种新的标准。而在我参加的美国CHIEF ARCHITECT用户论坛，那些老外好象只知道CHIEF和ARCHICAD，许多人甚至两者皆有，ARCHICAD做大的，CHIEF做小的。
对于一向按照市场规律办事的美国人来说，这样做肯定是有其道理的。不过对中国市场，CHIEF只适合于小型建筑如别墅的快速设计，如果有配套图库并改进其渲染的话，CHIEF在室内设计市场肯定会占有一席之地，因为它实在是太快、太容易学习了。附CHIEF论坛的一位老美对CHIEF和ARCHICAD的评论，当然他是有所偏袒ARCHICAD了，可能个人设计的侧重点不同。供大家参考。

You are probably going to get a lot of responses to this one.  I
would also recommend doing a search on this forum to see previous
posts.
你可能会从中获得许多反馈。我也建议你在论坛上做个搜索看看以前的帖子。
The answer is dependent on what you want to accomplish with the
software and how much time you want to spend learning/perfecting your
own techniques.
这个答案可能取决于你想用这个软件来做什么，以及你要花多长时间来学习/完善你个人的技巧。
David Jefferson Potter made a good point in one of his posts on this
subject.  Essentially what he said was that software is only as good
as its operator.  True enough.  
David Jefferson Potter就这个话题在他的一个帖子中发表了相当好的观点。基本上就是软件的好坏取决于它的操作者。千真万确。
Obviously both are good software products.  Archicad is the most
widely used architectural software product outside of the U.S.  In
the U.S. Autocad is of course the more widely used product.  Archicad
has a user community of 100,000+ users.  I don't recall what Chief
boasts as their client base.
两者都是很好的软件产品。AC是美国以外的地方最广泛使用的建筑软件。在美国AUTOCAD则是老大了。AC有一个十万人以上的用户群。CHIEF的用户群有多少我就不知道了。
From my experience, there are some things that Chief simply does not
do.  There are many workarounds for many tasks, but Chief lacks some
basic functionality.
根据我的经验，CHIEF有许多事情不行。当然也有许多其他途径可以完成许多任务，不过CHIEF缺少一些基本功能。
Chief has dimensioning problems.  Do a search for dimension and
Dermot.  You will find a lot of good information on this very subject.
CHIEF的尺寸标注不行。搜索一下这个话题，你会发现许多有用的信息。
Chief does not fully support DWG/DXF export/import.  This may or may
not be a big issue depending on if you work a lot with outside
consultants.  The biggest issue here is that Chief does not
export/import solid fills, and IMHO the exporting of Chief files into
a DWG format is unstable/uncertain.
CHIEF不完全支持DWG/DXF        的输出/输入。这个问题的严重与否要看你和外界的合作是否频繁和紧密了。这里的最大问题是CHIEF不能输出/输入实体填充，并且CHIEF文件的DWG格式输出还不稳定。
Simple tasks like camera view per a recent post can be exasperating.
有时象设置相机视图也会让人感到麻烦。
Chief's layering system is outdated.  Too many objects/items cannot
be placed on their own layers and managing the layering system takes
time due to this.  
CHIEF的图层系统早已过时。许多物件/项目不能放置在自身的图层上，基于此原因图层系统的管理很花时间。
Chief's handling of pens/line weights is very basic.  And, if you are
looking for an Autocad "look" forget it.  No matter what you may read
on this forum, Chief handles this in an extremely poor fashion.
CHIEF对笔宽/线宽的处理还很基本。如果想寻找一个AUTOCAD的"look"功能，你就死心吧。不管你从本论坛看到什么，CHIEF对这个问题的处理的确很不行。
Archicad is a different style of program.  Like Chief, or Chief like
Archicad boasts that all plans/models can be done in one file.  While
this has been accomplished in Archicad, I have yet to be able to do
this in Chief.  If you buy a program like Sketchup for instance, you
can significantly, greatly improve your Chief experience.  I use
Sketchup for particular areas like soffits/eaves.  But, still the
layering issue.
AC是另一个不同的系统了。象CHIEF，或CHIEF象AC都吹嘘所有的平面图/模型都在一个文件中完成。AC可以做到这一点，在CHIEF中也可做到。如果你另购买了一个SKETCHUP之类的软件，你可以极大地改进你的CHIEF使用经验。我使用SKETCHUP用于挑檐平顶板/屋檐等区域。不过还是那个图层问题。
Chief can be learned rapidly which of course means you can be
productive in less time.  However, while Archicad takes a little bit
longer, with less workarounds and significantly increased
functionality, Archicad reduces the amount of time it takes to
produce a set of construction docs due to less workarounds and
increased functionality.
CHIEF学起来很快，当然意味你在很少的时间里就可以出图了。不过AC只不过花仅多一点的时间，不需要你去找专门的拐弯抹角的技巧和方法并具有显著加强的功能。AC可以花更少的时间来完成全套施工图纸，因为它的使用更直接，功能更强。
And IMHO, its the little things that add up.  I would not say that
each function in Archicad greatly improves performance over Chief.  
But, when you add up the amount of time it takes to do the simple
things in Chief vs. Archicad, the time savings in Archicad is huge.  
我认为是AC中的细小的地方更重要。我不是说AC中的每个功能都可以较CHIEF显著改进。不过当你把在CHIEF中只为了做那些简单的活需要比AC多花的时间加起来的话，在AC中节省的时间就相当可观了。
Little things like dimensioning, fills, snaps, roofs, slabs, etc.  A
couple of minutes here and there adds up to days if not weeks over
the life of an 8-12 week project.  I estimate that on an 8-week 5,000
sq. ft house project that I save nearly a week of time using Archicad
over Chief.  During the course of a year, all being equal, the time
savings would be around 6 - 7 weeks.  Use your own numbers to
determine what the cost savings would be for you.  Then, reduce that
amount by the increased cost of Archicad.  Archicad costs about
$2,000 more than Chief at current prices.
那些小地方是尺寸标注、填充、捕捉、楼板等等。如果是一个不超过8-12星期的项目的话，各个地方节省下来的是时间可以天计了。我估计在一个持续8星期的5000平方英尺的房屋项目上，用AC比用CHIEF可以节省近一个星期的时间。如果项目持续一年的话，那将节省6-7星期了。你可以自己算一下为你自己可以省多少费用。再减去AC的增加的软件费用，目前AC比CHIEF多近2000美圆。
Your time savings may be more or less than my experience, and there
is no guarantee that the time saved can be filled with additional
projects.  But at least it give more time for marketing.
你可能会比我节省更多或更少的时间，当然不能保证节省下来的时间就会有活干。不过至少你有更多的时间去做市场了。
Hopefully you will get some conflicting posts here as well so that
you can judge for yourself what is the better approach.

Certainly if you look at the work posted on this forum by some of the
experienced Chief users you will find truly excellent work.  Same can
be said for Archicad.  I think it then comes down to your commitment
to learn everything you can about the product, and also how you
intend to exploit the product for your own revenues.
当然如果你搜寻一些有经验的CHIEF用户所贴的项目，你会发现相当精彩的东西。AC也一样。我认为还得看你是否有决心去完全学会该产品以及你准备如何去研究该软件了。

铁面人

ZOOD,我知道你英文了得，不过为了照顾论坛上的其他兄弟，你还是写个中英文对照吧～～

god

不是都翻译过了吗，英文下面就是译文

yangzi0088

大家好！
        我得到一个D版ARCHICAD7有时设置里的数字是“？”没有数字了！是否目前的CRACK文件都是UF7 和UP7两个破解文件？另外汉化进行不了啊

fengzi918

我有9.03的汉化

jolin

archicad实在是个好东东，很方便啊，现在建模有了sketchup的支持渲染又有了artlantis(室外)和lightscape（室内）两元老将前途不可限量啊。只要市场做得再周到一些，打破acad的垄断也是指日可待了。

sagitta

多謝你的資料

mucunzhang

软件开发速度真快.
回头我也试试chief.